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Originally Posted by Grinder
John Prescott..
I'm still at the age where I base my judgement of many millions of people on loud, brash, maniacal, left wing-pie-scoffing-clowns like him. To my own detriment of course.
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John Prescott ? Him of the Ermine robes who sit's in the house of lords is no socialist I assure you. He may have begun as one but the day he became a new labour politician was the day he finally sold out then he resold when he remortgaged when they made him lord Prescott. They all sold out, lots of them did but then again socialism could no longer provide an answer to any of the problems faced pre Magraret Thacher era so who can truly blame them.
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Originally Posted by Cynic
WORK IS FREEDOM, remember! 
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Work Is FREEDOM if it's economically viable and it's not spin from a fascist porker the likes of what appears in 1984.
What I'd love to know really love to know is there any difference from what is coming and being what they used to call a peasant. A feudal lords property by any other description.
And if your paying 65p in the pound but keeping just 35p of what you earn what makes Ian Duncan Smith think this is an attractive offer and a real viable incentive to make people want to bother. The wealthy only pay 50 percent and keep the other 50 percent of their earnings. That's a laugh though earnings, who earns what for who ?
Are we supposed to say to our bosses:
"Please Sir may I have some more."
What is the difference between this and real slavery I really cannot work it out.