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In reality, a patient may need to try several meds before they find one that works for them, but they probably will find one eventually. That good outcome is completely missed by these reports. For my n=1, I've tried eight different anti-depressants from six of the classes and had some benefit (to anxiety and/or depression) from around half of them. |
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Just as you have read one website, then implied scientific opinion is, in its entirety, reflected in the article, I could point you here, and based on your previous responses, say you were talking gobbledegook. Scientific opinion is flexible, transient, and open to major revision at short notice. In the same way David incorrectly dismissed medication as ineffective, you are guilty of the same transgression of unilaterally dismissing a treatment route, based on your personal opinions and/or selective posting of scientific articles. On a seperate note, I think Davids post have been on the whole optimistic and positive. Based on a series of responses that may not reflect his past posting behaviour, I think the lets wade in and insult him attitude is a little undignified (as were some of his responses). I would add I do not think its appropriate for a moderator (in public) to rubbish the posts of someone in this forum, regardless of any perceived provocation. Just as a referee in a footy match, it is the responsibilty of a moderator to display, in public, an impartial position. |
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So instead, I choose to take pills to keep my head above water. But "no work"!!!!???? You must be joking!!!!!!! Every day I go to work in a highly sociable environment - facing my fears daily - I have also tried all manner of talking therapies and associated "homeworks" set. Unfortunately, to no avail. But I continue to push myself to "get out there" and live my life despite more often than not feeling absolute sh*te and often wondering what the f*cking point is. But you've got to keep on keeping on haven't you? I'm sure a lot of people on here would resent the idea that "popping a pill" somehow makes life easy and takes the hard work out of living with a very real and dibilitating condition. Then again, if a pill were to magically make me super happy and life a breeze - bring it on - I'd have a bucketful thank you very much. If it helps, then that's great. To be honest, I don't really understand where this intolerance of the ways others choose to help themselves comes from. |
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25 % of his clients are cured in just one hour. one one is 60 MINUTES. he has cured thousands of people and most of them have been cured in an hour. MINUTES, MINUTES, MINUTES. NLP doesn't have any scientific prove of its effectivenss but neither does medication: New generation anti-depressants have little clinical benefit for most patients, research suggests. that above sentence hasd just been copied and pasted by me, its from the first post in this thread. you say that only sum people are suggestible to NLP but that sentences suggests that only some people are suggestable to drugs. ive tried NLP and ive tried medication also. have u even tried NLP??????????????????????? |
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You cannot advise people to stop there medication. You cannot know at that time and in that stage of their sa, if it may be the very best option they have. Stopping medication abrubtly is also potentially a medically risky thing to do. I have tried all forms of therapy for SA, every single one. Some drugs havent worked, some have. Some therapies were great, others not, some type of counselling helped etc etc. winterDavid is perfectly within his rights to be dismissive of NLP (which I disagree with), but he does not say it will never work for others, and thats where he has you (DM) over a barrel with due respect. I have read a lot of DM posts, a lot being heartfealt about the misery his SA has caused, and also the lengths he is willing to push himself too. Plus he offers a lot of helpful recommendations regarding self help books from Amazon. You got a lot to offer DM but please resist the temptation to blanket dismiss medication for SA. |
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i know from personal experience that medication can help cos when i tried it myself it did help with my anxiety levels but i advise people not to use it cos its dangerous, there are side effects and there are so many better aproaches out there. im against medication cos its bad for you and dangerous but i dont know know why u are against NLP cos it has never harmed a soul |
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any negativity in a persons life was meant to be cured 100% at the root and meds do not achieve this. im against meds and i will continue to advise people to stear clear for the rest of thier lives. if people dont like that then thats their problem im doing a gud thing and i have peoples best interests at heart. i honestly do not care wot other people think, if i want to say something im saying it regardless |
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No probs you being against meds, and advising people not to take them. You cant advise people to stop taking them once they have started though. Thats potentially medically dangerous. If you did that, I think a lot of the positive messages you have would get through to more people. |
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winter david is against NLP whether he sed sed it or not, just ask him. don't worry i read it all. and just because he sed he isn't going to tell people NOT to use NLP doesn't meen he is not against it. and who are you anyway????? i really don't like the way u spoke to me then when u sed '' i really wish ud read 1st b4 u go into ur next NLP rant'' we are having a disagreement here yes but we are not insulting each other then all of a sudden u pop up , you are not even in the discussion, and u start insulting me. i think u best go and join a different thread |
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you know what im the one person on this site that has the balls to beat SA and the drive to do it. ive took actions that u couldn't take in a million years trust me if theres one person on this site that people should listen to its me cos im the only one who's gonna beat this and im the only one capable of walking my walk. yes im rude now and again and my spelling is garbage but so wot , those things are insignificant when it comes to beating SA ive sed my peice , good look with beating SA cos i think u need it |
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alrite ill see u later, im not into these petty arguments, ive got better things to do |
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i really dont know why u think im being strange ok yes uve beat SA , gud 1 like ive just sed ill see u later cos im not into these petty arguments |
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im not interesdted in helping my case. i have things to say so i say them and if people want to listen then good for them, if they dont then good for them. i dont care. ill advise people and wether they want to listen is up to them and for the unpteenth time ill see u later |
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come on mate, do you really want me to point out how wrong that is? there are loads of people who have beaten sa on this site already, and plenty that are doing a great job of beating it - myself included. you should retract that statement if you wish to retain any integrity. Quote:
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but then again, on the other hand, if noone else can do what you do, then your advice is going to be useless to us all, isn't it? i don't really know anything about your therapy but your need to reconsider your attitude is clear for all to see. you can't go around telling everyone that you are better than them, just because you are messed up enough to believe that! come on dude, seriously. come off it. and btw, i don't need your therapy either. i'm making so much progress i can barely cope with it all - all without your therapy. |
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ETA: Ultraskink beat me to it! |
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i honestly cudn't giv a rats arse abar anythin u just sed there mate |
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There's a lot of unnessecery critisim on this thread!!! |
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A friendly warning
Please debate the topic by all means but stay within the forum rules. |
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David. Your approach to tackling your anxieties is something admirable. I'm even against the use of medications in most cases. But your attitude stinks. Maybe you should be working on that instead?
What you're posting here is not helpful to anyone. And that includes your absurd claims that depression can be cured in minutes. |
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but i do feel like i have a magic wand. ive found kabbalh and honestly it is unbeleiveable. i know exactly how to beat SA and i just want to tell people how. ive seen someone completely chnage using nlp . and meds just isn't gonna cure a problem at the root you know wot im saying. for all of u out there who think im arragont, who beleive that i think im god well my answer is this: i honestly beleive that im one of the few people who has the balls and drive to beat this thing. i do see myself as a one off type of person and an exception to the rule. i don't beleive that there are many people out there with the same courage and drive as me. therefore i fee l like im in a better position than you all in regards to being able to advise people. if u think im arrogant then great, gud 4 u, but i honestly beleive that im better equipted to beat this thing than anyone on this site and i intend to prove it |