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One thing I've become fully aware of over the years is that no single thing will help everyone, even though we share a common core issue. So no one can accurately claim that because something helped them, it will help everyone else. But what they can say is -''this helped me, so it may help you too, so try it if it resonates with you personally. I don't see anything wrong with that. Even tried and tested therapy models do not necessarily help everyone they treat. CBT is extremely useful to some people, so they may state that it has 'worked' for them, and that is fair comment. I know some others hate CBT and find they cannot work with it at all. So no one can claim they have used something that will work across the board. There is evidence for all manner of therapeutic models, yet not a single one of them can be proved to work for everyone, even if the client group all have generally the same mental health issues. So all people can post from is their perspective that they tried something, and it helped, or 'worked' for them. Also, working through our own mental health issues is something of a personal learning curve. I know I learned a million lessons along the way that helped me, but I can't prove a single one of them scientifically. I don't want to either. All I'm concerned with is what works for me, not whether what works for me can be proved scientifically. If I pass on my experiences the reader can either adopt something that resonates with them, then try it themselves, or they can ignore it. I think that is a good thing with this site, in that people are not afraid to put out there their experiences of what has helped them. By doing this, it gives the reader an opportunity to adopt or reject ideas, thoughts, opinions, methods, observations etc that may or may not be useful to them personally. If we are choosing a therapy model to work with, then seeking prior information on how effective a certain model has been shown to be with your particular issue can obviously be very useful. But even then, no model has ever been proved more effective than all the rest. So what works for one person may not help another anyway. So even if a person posts that something has helped them, and the method they used has statistical evidence to back it up, it still does not mean their advice is superior to other people's. The bottom line is still that they tried something and it helped. Other people will have tried that very same thing and reported no real change at all ... despite that statistical evidence. To use a strand of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy or Solution-Focused Therapy for a moment, my personal take on things is to do what works, and drop what doesn't. It doesn't really matter if what works for you has reams of documented evidence to back it up. All that matters is that it works. And when people post what works for them, it throws other ideas and perspectives out there for others to adopt or reject at their own discretion. Also, much improvement can come from personal experience, gut instinct, intuition, lessons learned etc, and althouth this is extremely valuable to the person concerned, this cannot really be measured in a scientific way. Despite that, I often find posts posted from that perspective to be very useful to me. The only time I'd get a little irritated is if someone came on here boldly stating that ''This worked for me, so it must work for you too''. But I don't recall many/any? instances of this happening. If it has, it's probably been on rare occasions. As it stands, I think sauk is a vast resource of human experience, and in all that there is potential for discovering things that may help us personally. To me at least, whether that help is empirically tested doesn't really concern me. If it helps, I use it. If not, I drop it. |
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It would be a shame if this is the first thread a new member sees. 5 pages of no one here can help you and they shouldnt dare try because their feeling of it having helped is wrong because someone before them hasnt said its true and written a nice book about it.
I think it should be deleted, all harm, no good tbh. I hope the thread starter finds whatever he needs to help himself, but this thread shouldnt be here. Joining a support forum and then complaining of support being given. |
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Im not going to reply here again, I dont want to seem like im having a go or anything, I just think if you sign up to a support forum you are surely looking for ideas and support, and can find out what (if anything) works for you yourself through trial and error. Only a few things here and there ive read on SAUK have helped me, and the way i see it is thats more than i had when I found the forum, so its all good surely? |
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There is no harm if someone thinks they're helping others as long as they are not asking for money in a scam.Everyone here probaly gets frustrated sometimes,they probaly get themselves to a reasonable state of mind and then come crashing down to a point where everything is bad karma again I find if you try and go with the flow and whilst doing so keep busy with life,it never stops me from learning new things and I find doing this always opens new doors in life.I,m a big believer that knowledge dispels fears and gives you a inner confidence thats personal to others but very at one with life as we know and perceive it.
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I just don't see the problem here. Why do people need to ''refine their ideas?'' They are posting about what helped them. Why does that need ''refining?'' I just cannot see the good it does to be critical of people offering up their experiences to others. People here are in the process of trying to live more productive lives, not writing the definitive 'Get out of SA' book including research statistics and comprehensive bibliography. Maybe you are expecting just a little too much of posters. Why not do what I suspect most people here do when someone recommends something that resonates with them, namely google it to look into it further. Maybe SAUK is a sort of gateway to ideas, rather than the font of all knowledge. Personally, I think we need to be encouraging people to relate what helps them, rather than discouraging them by in some way suggesting that unless they back up everything they say with statistical evidence their input is inferior. |
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I think it's kind of insulting to assume that people here won't even have the common sense to research a method themselves before throwing all their hopes behind it. This is a place to get suggestions, not somewhere you should make totally responsible for your recovery (or lack of it). |
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i'm finding this thread a bit bizarre. it seems to be suggesting that we run the site as if we were giving evidence in court.
i dont think anyone has pointed out yet that NOTHING is proveable in psychology. i cant put wires on my head and measure my bad mood or my improvement. i can feel better but interpret it as feeling worse. so you cant ever prove that something made you feel better. you could go to the gym and come home feeling great but it might have been the paint fumes from where they were decorating the gym cafe that made you better. i'll try to sum up what i mean in relation to all this. 1. what works for one person doesnt work for another 2. you cant take all of someone elses problems away by posting advice on here, you can only really offer support or suggestions 3. nothing is proveable in psychology, as above i dont mean to be over critical but the nhs link about exercise is extremely vague and doesnt substantiate any of its claims. id say the average post on here of someones personal experiences is far more informative and also believable than a link that basically just says "ummm...exercise is good for you or something. i know a doctor". end of the day, i guess if you dont want to read accounts of peoples success because they are unrefined or unsubstantiated, then dont i kind of feel like we are all being told that the way we post about our successes isnt good enough and we should pull our socks up :P |
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I'm not asking people to provide evidence for every claim as some on this thread think - well done done for knocking down that straw man. |
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How about attacking my real position on the issue? |
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But if people do have that capability then there is no issue whatsoever, they are free to look up that information if they feel it is useful but I don't see why there's an obligation on the person making the suggestion.
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This thread is going in circles.
I'm not going to re-iterate what has been said time and time again on here, other than the fact that, ultimately, you can choose to try the things that other's claim have worked for them, or you can choose not to. People here are trying to support one another, and giving an account of their own personal experiences, in the hope that others can benefit from it too. It seems you're overthinking the whole sitation, try not to - and just see this site for what it is. It really is a lot simpler than you're making out. Lindy |
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This is simply a support forum where people post experiences. There is no need whatsoever for people to back up their personal experiences just to suit others. They can never offer definitive proof for any therapy model, philosophy, way of living etc, simply because no definitive proof exists. There is nothing out there which has proof of working for everyone, so everything out there can only work for some people. If something works for me, why do I need to find proof of that anyway? Also, how do you find objective evidence for something that can only ever be subjective anyway? It's absolutely clear that there is nothing out there that will help everyone. So there are only things out there that help some people. So people can only post from the perspective of what helped them, not from the perspective of what can be proved to help everyone. When someone says ''it works'', they are really saying ''it worked for me''. They are not saying it will work for everyone. It is very difficult to provide objective truth for that. It is simply subjective truth, and can only ever be so. It is well established that, for instance, CBT 'works' for some people, but it is also well established that it doesn't 'work' for plenty of others. So no one can say CBT catagorically does or does not work. All that can be said is that it works for some. So surely, the truth is a subjective truth and depends on who is relating it to you. Quote:
I think I do understand what you are getting at. If someone says ''this works'' that is a very big statement indeed, and such claims are best backed up with some evidence if we are to take them seriously. But I don't really see people making the claim that something ''works'' across the board. I just see people saying what works for them personally. Even as a practicing counsellor I cannot state that the model I use ''works''. All I can say is that it has an evidence base that suggests it has the potential to help some people and has been shown to have helped people previously. Now if I was claiming that ''it worked'' across the board, I'd have some real explaining to do and evidence to find that doesn't actually exist. There is evidence that plenty of things have the potential to help, but none to suggest that there is anything that ''works'' for everyone. So the bottom line is that people will still only be posting from a subjective perspective. |
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I just discovered a good technique that worked for me - it didn't 'cure' me, just seemed to help me cope better with things:-
I like chewing rubber so I'd cut a small piece off an old hot water bottle and was chewing it and while doing this I happened to think through all the stuff I needed to do the next day (I had a lot to do including a visit to town/the bank which is always stressful for me) so I thought through what I had to do while doing the chewing ie I thought through a stressful situation while doing something enjoyable and relaxing. I think this had a good effect as it helped me to reprogramme my brain by associating a stressful situation with something enjoyable (ie the chewing). Anyway I think this is a good way of programming your brain. I think any advice could be potentially useful to another person so it's good to document your experiences. |
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I think slrrrp is getting this site mixed up with NHS 24
can't believe I've just sat and read through all that bollocks,..... pfft. (mods,.. maybe this thread should be in The basement ) hmm,. must try that "paint fumes" cure though |
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Can't people just answer the question instead of debating if there are 'cure-alls'? Obviously we're all different therefore there are no simple solutions but just stick to the point otherwise people are trailing through arguments looking for helpful tips.
* I would add that focusing on your breathing helps to bring the anxiety under control. Kind of obvious but worth remembering as a basic rule to build on. * Exposure definitely works to stop you caring about embarrassment (if that's your thing) but it's one of the hardest approaches. * CBT helped drastically reduce self conscious when out and that's a big chunk of what powers SA in the first place. * Self-help books have done alot for me too, if you just read them the most you'll get is a better understanding of the condition but if you do the exercises you'll begin to put your issues into perspective e.g. I worry about choking all the time but I began to see it for what it really was-inconsequential and not something to fear or limit my life for. * We all know going out is another positive thing but for a long time I thought going out made me worse, that's not true, I've learned going out and facing things toughens you up. It doesn't necessarily make you any better but it makes you more resilient and less sensitive. One area I have yet to get a grip on is tension, I hold so much tension in my body it's untrue and I'm hoping sports/yoga will start to loosen me up. |
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I get the point your trying to make slrrrrp, but how does the saying go;
'I may not agree with what you say ,but I will defend to the death your right to say it? After that you can state your own opinion about it, sort of thing. |
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Whether is it subjective or objective i'm glad ppl post their successes on here and what has made them feel better. If we did'nt then i think this place would be extremely depressing to constantly read stories of people's struggles.
So what if what worked for them may not work for you or other factors may have influenced them getting better. You ain't gonna get better waiting for someone to give you a great way of getting better but you might if you keep trying different things and hopefully some may actually work. |