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Re: Just got kicked off Jobseekers allowance for refusing to do the work programme
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I see a future where those of us in unstable, low-skilled employment have working lives that consist of rotating on and off jobseekers allowance. While on jsa, we will, at best, have to work for free with no holidays and under the huge stress of sanctions, while also looking for work. At worst, our anxiety or other problems will get the better of us and we will be sanctioned, thus ending up destitute or dependent on family for help. When not on jsa, we will find our standard of living ever declining as wages and conditions get lower. There will be no will to do anything about this, since having a paid job will be better than having a workfare job. Also those of us who are single and don't have kids will never be able to afford a place of our own in which to decompress from the stress. [QUOTE] I agree with what you said about how they are doing this to undermine workers pay and conditions, but your view of the future is a bit bleak. I really hope people wont stand for it, it seems like already we are making progress by them suspending sanctions. |
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Re: Just got kicked off Jobseekers allowance for refusing to do the work programme
Hang on - have they suspended sanctions? This is news to me.
My view of the future may be a bit bleak because I live in the south east. The plus side, it means I have a job at the moment. The downside is I'm surrounded by Tories. Not only do local people hate the unemployed but many of the better off look down on poor people in general. |
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I do look down on some poor or unemployed people but thats because some of them have vulgar attitudes and are rude and generally uncivilised. I'm unemployed myself but I still try to be a decent human being. So I think what you've said is a bit of a silly generalisation probably your fears getting the better of you. |
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I hope you aren't suffering from anxiety, or depression through imagining what MAY happen, your imagined, possible scenario seems a bit unlikely to be honest. Quote:
my own experience was actually very close to the O.P.'s.. in my case I made a conscious decision to sign-off from benefits and go it on my own,.. partly because of the condescending attitide of the DSS staff and partly because I was jumping through hoop after hoop for such a paltry amount, I decided to just go for it and try and get some real money working despite my crippling SA. I'm not saying it's easy to find work,.. just saying I'd rather die on my own sword than beg for crumbs from the state, I felt it was pretty demeaning. if you know what kind of work you can do, and what kind of work you can handle with your anxiety and SA then isn't it best to seek that out, rather than have some benefits nazi hand out work to you willy-nilly that may or may not be suitable? I feel for and sympathise with anyone who is unemployed and in an area where there are few jobs,. but I just got a feeling from the O.P. that they seemed to feel they deserved money and also to refuse work,.. which didn't seem to compute... maybe I'm being simplistic ? |
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At the end if this, you get things like the work programme which feast on our changed perceptions of working morality. Nowadays, you should be grateful for the experience you're getting, not moaning on about getting paid the minimum wage. Of course, by taking on full time employment for no or very little money,you're also reducing the pool of paid vacancies. So while I agree with your concept of the moral duty to work when you are able to (I definitely agree that there is a moral duty), I also agree with D s m's actions in this case. If he/she we're turning down a paid job that he or she was able to do and suitable for, it would be a different matter, but working for free to get experience with a private sector company is immoral on the govt's part. If the real reason for workfare was to help unemployed people get experience, the wp would place people in charities and jobs that help the community, not offer slave labour to the same private firms we are relying on to increase the number of paid jobs on offer. Rant over and absolutely no offence intended to anyone. Just poking my head in the debate |
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I'm sure that's the case, that some staff are just doing their jobs and are frustrated by government rules. However, in any organisation as tryinghard said there's good and bad. I wonder if you have ever been a service user? Perhaps if you've experienced it yourself at the other end then you'd know that some job seekers really aren't exaggerating when they say they've had some truly unpleasant experiences dealing with some advisors (not all obviously). |