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Anyone looking forawrd to the slave labour that the government will be making us do?
Well, I don't think it's definate yet, put they're trying to push it through.
People who have been unemployed for over a year will have to do 40 hours a week of unpaid community work. I'm sure there will be no sympathy for the socially anxious and/or depressed who wont be able to deal with it. *EDIT* Oh yeah, and I'm sure at these work places a big proportion of the other unemployed people will be young chavs, which will just make things feel even worse, at least for me anyway. |
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I'm not sure i have enough skills or talent to be a slave though - another failure |
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I don't think anyone will slate you for it, but if they do, then they're just idiots anyway. |
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If your on jsa such a thing already exists, its called New deal
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Fortunately I'm supported by family, but I can imagine that it would be quite a dread inducing prospect for those of us on benefits. I'm afraid I'm sketchy on the details so exactly who this will effect I'm not certain.
Anyway I do unpaid work it's called housework and cooking. The unrecognized unpaid work of the ages! |
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I think that if people are receiving JSA then having them do some community work until they find employment is a perfectly reasonable idea. Especially for people that are completely capable of working. Of course I don’t mean people that are genuinely ill and cannot manage it (and I would assume that a GP or similar would determine whether people could cope with this or not). But there is a large variety of community work available, and I would have thought a quiet gardening role would be manageable for a lot of people with SA for example (not everyone, before you all start berating me). But certainly some. I also think that doing something constructive is a good way of keeping apathy and depression at bay, and so is developing a proper routine. I guess if people are not getting JSA then they won’t be expected to do this anyway. Right, that’s it. |
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just my personal opinion but i think its a good thing
for the economy, but also for peoples self esteem. people who are long term unemployed can find themselves in a rut and get incredibly depressed and fearful of returning to work. however hard SA is for people, we all have to face our demons at times. |
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I wonder what those who don't work and have their three months of payments or whatever it is docked, and have no other means of supporting themselves, are going to do. I can envisage situations where there are those who are unable to do their community work, maybe due to their anxiety, even when they know they have to.
Actually I broadly agree with Dory that people ought to be doing something, but I can't see how taking away the only lifeline some people have is going to help if they don't. |
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40 hrs seems a lot...unpayed too.
If I do a flat week I only do 39hrs in a fully payed job. |
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If you mean how would you react in the same situation now? - like an Adult?? |
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We'll take three months benefit off you if you don't or can't do this work... so you'll be poor and starve.
Well I hope that three months of benefit can pay for more Police officers and their equipment, because if you put people in that situation they will commit crime. |
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what makes you think you can't achieve something? and are you not able to (as an adult) control your emotions so that even if something is horrendously difficult - to at least control the anger? hope that doesnt come across personally btw |
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But, it's why i'm here lol. People imo approach the problems with their anxieties in different ways, my ways tend to be destructive. It isn't anger btw it's panic lol. |
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£65 / 30h = £2.17 / hour
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this isn't a Tory idea, i remember hearing about it in 2008 when Labour was still in power. I was on a 13 week course at the time and the staff running the place came and told us the news and nobody partially liked it, especially some of the "veterans" as i liked to call them (people who had been attending those courses years and years because they were always unemployed)
if Labour was in Power this would of still of happened. that I am certain. |
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I don't remember a 'new' labour policy of slave labour for dole money |
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Screw that. If I'm going to be required to do menial work full-time, I want a working wage for doing it. If JSA goes up to £237.20 per week, then they would have a case for requiring people to work 40 hours a week. Until then it is totally acceptable.
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If JSA receivers are working 40hr a week (or even 30hr a week) when are they going to find time to look for/apply for/attend interviews for a job?
Sounds like slave labour to me. I couldn't do it if I wanted to so I'd soon be on the streets or, more likely, having my pensioner mother support me on her pension. Shouldn't community work be for punishment (such as community service orders)? Seems to be a punishment for being unemployed if you ask me. |
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No one ever answers the question of where all the jobs will be coming from ?
As for councils and the like taking on JSA claimants as cheap labour, I can just see the reaction of the proper council work teams, they'll be going out on strike. |
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It's amazing how thoroughly right-wing individualism has saturated public discourse. That's how stuff like this gets through without causing the riots it deserves to.
Here - well, on the last page really, but anyway - we've got someone* with, presumably, mental health issues which make it extremely difficult to lead a normal life. They're posting on a website for people with mental health issues which make it extremely difficult to lead a normal life, telling someone else with mental health...etc etc, that they'd get better if they only pulled their socks up and got a job. Thatcher'll die happy, cos her work here is done. I remember some New Labour mutterings about this too, by the way. I'll dig up references if you like. *With apologies if it feels like I'm singling out one person in particular. It's a pattern. This seems to happen on every thread about benefits. |
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I'm lost as I fail to see the difference between this and the New Deal system they currently have,
Under new deal if your under 25 and on JSA for 6 months you have to go on workplacement for 6 months, 40hrs a week unpaid just to get your benefit, and if you don't go you get a sanction on your JSA, if your over 25 its a year and a half before your put on this. I remember a row a few years ago as Tesco recruited Christmas staff through this method. When I was unemployed several years ago I was on the verge of getting sent on this when I went to my doctor and got diagnosed with depression and got put on income support. So this is not a new thing, the only difference I see is that you will now be working for councils doing work thats not required just to make it look like your doing something constructive with your time. |
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Re: Anyone looking forawrd to the slave labour that the government will be making us
New Deal = at least there's some pretense that it's going to help you get skills and find meaningful work, although I know in real life it's an exploitative joke of a scheme. I don't know how they squared it with getting training or doing voluntary work - I think this varies from one area to another? But I do know that it is one hell of a lot harder to get sickness benefits than it used to be.
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Why don't they use prisoners to do this work as well? That'd be nice working alongside some lovely convicts wouldn't it
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Funny you should mention that...
Prisoners in England and Wales should work a 40-hour week, Justice Secretary Ken Clarke has said. Although it sounds like, if I read the article right, they'd be getting close to the minimum wage. Not the £1.whatever an hour it works out as for dole scum like us. That's a nice touch. :/ |
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By the way, joe 88, I hope you don't mind me asking, but when you say "I think it's a good idea", do you mean that you think it's a good idea to force sick people to do council worker's jobs for no money, or that you think it's a good idea that David Blunkett's getting £30,000 per year as an A4e consultant? Only the placement of your post made it kind of ambiguous. Thanks!
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