SA and "NoFap"

[limey123]

Curious about this as I've seen improved social skills/awareness and lower (social) anxiety as one of the many alleged benefits of the NoFap movement. There are many other alleged benefits: after all, Buddhist monks etc. have been practising semen retention for millennia.

Some "fapstronauts" claim better success in approaching and "getting" women, and lower levels of social anxiety merely based on semen retention.
All in all, it also sounds like the ones with the greatest issues before now have a lot more time on their hands (pun intended) for other things (e.g. reading, exercising, socialising, improving their minds, etc.) and they feel better in themselves, too. Perhaps they simply do better at the other things now - including socialising - because they have more time and focus for them?

I've seen other men claim the surest way to make sure they pull a lady is to simply abstain from onanism for as long as possible, meaning they end up so damn horny they just go out and hit on women no matter how poor their social skills!

Does NoFap improve SA, then? Many are claiming this. One poster claimed the following long list of benefits of NoFap (colouration mine):

"These are all valid reasons to practice sperm retention, however the benefits dont stop there.

More energy
Less depressed
More confidence
Happier
Less anxiety
Increased social skills
Highly motivated to succeed
Highly motivated to do more
Highly motivated to approach real women
Increased fat loss
Increased muscle growth
Improved workouts
Improved sporting performance
Deeper voice
Improved skin
Thicker hair
Increased hair growth (Facial, body and hair)
Less sleep required
Brighter eyes
Clearer skin
Improved body language
More alpha male behaviours
Increased attention from women
More respect from men
Improved memory
Removal of brain fog
Smarter
A cure to hair loss
Better sex
Thicker/longer penis
Stronger
Aloof attitude
High sex drive
Controlled aggression
Feelings of power
Improved relationships
Improved immunity
Increased stamina

Sperm is full of proteins, nutrients, minerals and enzymes that are key to our health, immunity and appearance. After around 2 weeks of sperm retention, the body decides to reabsorb the sperm. This means that all of those food groups are transported around the body and used to improve us. This is why we see better skin, brighter eyes, thicker hair, bigger muscles, increased facial hair growth, a smarter you, improved memory and a cure for hair loss."

[Rocket Spud]

Cackle

[snoo]

I have tried this. I had got to 100 days and then shortly after that it went to pot. If you ask me, giving up is harder than giving up smoking (which I have also done).

There may be an issue with causality. There certainly are subtle changes in behaviour, which subconsciously we might want to exaggerate for effect. Nobody wants to say that all this work is for nothing! In terms of social anxiety or even mental health I found it did little. Although having said that, so many factors are in play here that it is difficult to draw a conclusion.

For instance, I think someone with a really healthy diet but fapping all the time might be better off than someone who is really unhealthy but not bashing the bishop at all. In essence, replacing one vice for another.

Additionally, it is actually normal to fap. When I was younger, one of the most natural players with women I had seen also was a keen porno consumer. Didn't seem to affect him much.

What I do think is unhealthy is the over-use of porn, which further internalises living things out in the head instead of real life. I freely admit that I probably look more than I should.

Anyone interesting in being accountability partners?

[Laracroft2]

Im always a bit bemused by the male idea that women are somehow a different species and need to be "got" in some mystical, clever way. As a woman, I think men are over thinking this. There are no special words, behaviour, smells, chemistry, looks, charisma, etc, etc. Just be pleasant and interested as you would talking with a male friend.

[gregarious_introvert]

^ One of the best pieces of advice I ever had, many moons ago when I still a young man, was to stop trying to understand women and start enjoying them; of course, it was tongue-in-cheek, but it's true that women aren't a different species and although there are some subtle differences in the way men and women think (generally speaking), they are not so great that we can't relate to each other.

On the No-Fap issue, it doesn't seem to make a difference to me; I masturbate rarely these days and haven't viewed porn in a very long time but don't experience any discernible changes - probably two months is the longest I've abstained (I use masturbation for stress relief occasionally).

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[Percy]

I do think the PUA community has gone a long way over the years to distorting some men's view of women and how men should behave around them.

[limey123]

Originally Posted by Hylian

I'll try it for charity. Who wants to sponsor me?

Do you take PayPal?

[Dougella]

I don't get this, to be honest (and it might be because I'm a woman). I sort of understand if someone has been spending too much time doing it and ignoring everything else but doing it is general is pretty healthy I would have thought.

[Indigo_]

^ I think that's ridiculous to be honest, but thank you for speaking on behalf of women, again.

[Tom Morello]

Humans are judgemental and cruel, it aint just a woman thing lol.

Anyway, I can't personally see any benefit to nofap, it would make me more depressed. This morning when I woke up I thought I was going insane, then I had a quickie and I felt a lot better.

[Dougella]

Originally Posted by HermannHesse

^^^^^ Don't like it when women say this. Most women have exactly zero experience of trying to find a girlfriend. You do not know how cruel and judgmental your own sex is, because you've never engaged in battle from the other side of the dating game; so yes, men do need tricks. Men without tricks, like me, languish alone for life. Men full of bullshit, get dates every night - women drop everything to date, and for, the bullies and the bastards.

You think that women don't know how cruel and judgemental other women can be?!
My boyfriend didn't use any 'tricks' to get me and that's the way I like it, I don't like games and manipulation.
Also you seem to be assuming that all women want to date men and don't have any experience of dating other women, which obviously isn't the case

[Merritt]

I probably masturbate less often than the Queen, and I don't get a single one of those health benefits. Cut down on the tugs if you've got a 40 a day habit, sure, but I seriously doubt the key to health and happiness is completely denying yourself pleasure like that. We ought to be wanking more as a society, if anything.

[BritishPeace]

My sa for as improve the less I fap, I reckon because I have !pre testosterone

[newbs16]

I had no idea what this meant, Google was my friend

NoFap is a website and community forum that serves as a support group for those who wish to avoid pornography and masturbation. Its name comes from the slang term fap, referring to male masturbation. Wikipedia, cheers Wikipedia lol

I'm slightly confused how not watching porn and a someone to stop masturbating has so many health benefits, I would've thought it was good for you and helped relieve a bit of stress.

[Laracroft2]

Originally Posted by HermannHesse

^^^^^ Don't like it when women say this. Most women have exactly zero experience of trying to find a girlfriend. You do not know how cruel and judgmental your own sex is, because you've never engaged in battle from the other side of the dating game; so yes, men do need tricks. Men without tricks, like me, languish alone for life. Men full of bullshit, get dates every night - women drop everything to date, and for, the bullies and the bastards.

You are right. What I said was a massive generalisation. I suppose I was speaking on my own behalf. The type of women that need "tricks" and bullshit are clearly not the kind of women you would want to date anyway.

[Mr. Nobody]

I suspect this whole "no-fap" is just another born-again Christian agenda masquerading as something trendy and vital for teenagers etc.

religions have been promoting this for centuries..lol it's nothing new, and it's also a pile of gobshite

priests just don't want anyone doing something even remotely enjoyable, I'm always amazed how people want to invade every frigging area of your life, no matter how personal or private.

for the record,.. I stopped for over a year, and my SA was actually 10 times worse as a result, and I definitely can't recall having any beneficial side-effects or anything,
all I recall was being ridiculously horny and pretty much obsessed with sex,